Recommendations for horseback riding?

I had planned to use Jackson Hole Outfitters for my trip to Jackson Hole and YNP June 4th - 10th. Rec%26#39;d call today from Hank with JH Outfitters who states due to some new rule or regulation he cannot begin his tours until mid June (the 16th I think). I wanted to use them because they state on their website they go where others don%26#39;t, rides aren%26#39;t crowded. Want a unique experience where there isn%26#39;t a ton of people on our ride or constantly meeting others on the trail. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Recommendations for horseback riding?

Everywhere in the Jackson WY area will be different, interesting and unique, compared to New Orleans! Plus in early June, there won%26#39;t be tons of people in the area.... families have to get out of school etc.

Check with Signal Mtn Lodge, see if they have trips early.

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lake yellowstone activities

we will be in yellowstone in july this year and would like to do some activity on yellowstone lake. Are the scenic cruies interesting? We are young and our honeymoon. Is it something we could easily hike and see?

The other thing we were considering is renting a small motorboat or even splurging and going on a tour/fishing trip.

If we do the motorboat, can we explore enough on our own?

Lastly, you can%26#39;t make reservations for the boats, so how hard are they to accquire in the 3rd week in July?

lake yellowstone activities

I think you will find your questions answered on this website; select the portions applicable to your needs.

www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/boatrent.htm

You don%26#39;t say how long you will be at YNP.

You ask: ';Is it something we could easily hike and see?'; Unsure what you mean. You can drive and see the park, but do you mean hiking around the lake?

lake yellowstone activities

You can see the lake from the shore, but being on the water is something totally different.

My sage advice from a long married person... take the scenic tour. Let someone else drive you around, then you can watch and take photos and relax. You won%26#39;t have to worry about the motor on the boat, where you are going and from experience, the possible heated discussions!

CasaAzul, that was too funny... ';and from experience, the possible heated discussions!'; As in, teaching a SO how to ski or play bridge? As in Where would YOU like to go for dinner? As in Whichever motel YOU like, dear? As in Whichever route; no matter, YOU choose it, dear?'; To which the answer too often is, No, YOU (add in whatever...). LOL

Casa,

As a husband, I take offense at your remark about heated discussions. I was involved in one of those several years ago in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario.

I never could make my wife understand that I didn%26#39;t need to stop and ask for directions. Eventhough I had never been in that city before, how hard could it be to find the Best Western on Great Northern Road? 45 minutes or so later, I finally found it and I didn%26#39;t have to stop and ask. It only cost us about 40 minutes of wasted time, so it wasn%26#39;t a big deal.

On second thought, take the scenic boat trip, let someone else drive the boat and save your marriage.

LOL, exactly. I can image having those ';first'; discussions while trying to get a motor boat going on the middle of Yellowstone Lake in a rainstorm, with wind... Not a pretty sight!!

we booked a 4 hour fishing trip a couple of summers ago %26amp; really enjoyed it. our guide did a great job %26amp; we caught about 7-8 cutthroat trout. there are several great hikes in the area our you could drive the few miles up to the canyon %26amp; hike down to see the falls. make sure you have dinner/drinks in the lake hotel. great atmosphere.

I know there are also kayak tours on the lake. I%26#39;ve never taken one, and they aren%26#39;t held when we will be back this year -- but that might be something different to look into. There are thermal features in and along the lake, so you do want to be knowledgable.

LOL, exactly. I can image having those ';first'; discussions while trying to get a motor boat going on the middle of Yellowstone Lake in a rainstorm, with wind... Not a pretty sight!!

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Oh my gosh I can totally relate to this. As a sailor of small sailboats I know that feeling of the sudden rain or thunderstorm as you have to take control of the boat, start the motor (hopefully) and drop sail.

It helps to determine at the onset of the cruise..who is the Captain..who is the Admiral (that is usually me) and get the non-sailing visitors below and don%26#39;t touch anything metal.

LOL too funny...I agree, take the scenic cruise unless you rent a kayak.

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Going from YNP to Moran Station

We will be leaving YNP early in the morning, driving thru GTNP until we get to Moran Station from there we aredriving to Cheyenne. What do we need to stop and see along the way???

Going from YNP to Moran Station

Thermapolis Hot Springs is on the way.

Going from YNP to Moran Station

Thermopolis is way out of the way according to my map. If we wanted to go there it would be better to do that when we drive from Keystone to Cody

there an NPS visitors center at Grants Village at West Thumb that%26#39;s worth 30 minutes. There are a couple of pulloffs along the way with placards you can read that talk about the fires etc. You can stop at Leeks marina for pizza, Colter Bay to hit the chuckwagon or go to Jackson lake Lodge and hit the Pioneer Room for a Dusty Glacier brownie/ice cream heart attack. I would recommend a stop at JLL to at least go up to the lobby and see the Tetons. After that you take your left at Moran Jct, head up to Togwottee pass which has a nice lodge then just make the best time you can to Cheyenne, there%26#39;s not a whole lot of structured ';entertainment'; other than enjoying the scenery of the Wind River range etc. if you%26#39;re not in a hurry you can take a right at Moran jct and do a two hour total trip to some scenic overlooks of the Tetons and spend an hour at the visitors center at Moose.

We are guessing it will take us about 7 hours to drive from YNP to cheyenee already so not sure how much stopping we wil lwant to do. I will already ahve a room waiting for us by that point. So we can take our time but not too much. We will be up early that morning to start the drive.

Thermapolis is really not out of the way!! ShellNet who posts on TA advised me to go from Moran Junction down through Shoshoni to Casper and then to Cheyenne. This may be because of the possiblty of snow in the mountain ranges going the Laramie route in early June. If you are going later in the summer then you may be able to take a different route. Good luck with your plans.

I%26#39;ve spent years driving around WY, CO and MT...

Thermopolis is NOT on the way from Jackson to Cheyenne. From Jackson to Cheyenne you will take US 287 to I80 then east.

Thermopolis IS on the way from Cody to Cheyenne if you drive WY HWY 120 south from Cody.

To get to Cody from Jackson, you have to backtrack through YS, then drive east!

If you have not found Google maps... now is time to use it. I have found the times are close to actual driving times and the routes are accurate.

Thermopolis IS right on the way from Cheyenne to Cody. If you are coming from Jackson to Cheyenne, Thermopolis is about a 35 min drive out of your way (each way). Now, if you%26#39;re driving from Cheyenne and want a nice and interesting place to spend the night and enjoy the hot springs, 35 minutes down the road in this part of the world -- just isn%26#39;t a big deal.

However, if you are on a tight schedule, I would not recommend taking the detour to Thermopolis.

It is more scenic to drive down through Riverton, but it is faster to drive over through Casper. The difference is the amount of time on two lane roads.

I am not driving from Cody to Cheyenne. I%26#39;m driving from cody to YNP staying a few days then driving from Grand Tetons to Cheyenne. I was wondering what to stop and see while in the first part of the GTNP jsut to Moran Station adn then what to see on the way to Cheyenne.

Lori, my second %26amp; third paragraphs were addressing you. Don%26#39;t go to Thermopolis, you%26#39;re on a relatively tight schedule - it%26#39;s too far out of your way.

There is not really anything to stop and see on the way from the Tetons (spend more time at the Tetons in the morning %26amp; then just hit the road) to Cheyenne -- if you want a more scenic drive, go down through Riverton. The other option is to drive the faster route through Casper and get to Cheyenne a little earlier and maybe visit the Depot or Old West Museums.

Sorry my response frustrated you! I was addressing the discussion in general, and then you specifically.

thanks for clarifying that!! We will probably spend the mosto f the monring in the GTNP then jsut drive the 7 hours or so to Cheyenne? Is it 7 hours or more???

Seeking reasonably priced lodging in or near Cody, Wyoming

We are two families travelling to Eastern side of Yellowstone Park and we%26#39;re looking for reasonably priced accommodation. One family consists of two adults and three children and the other family consists of one adult and three children. While some places appeared to be cheap at first glance when we checked into it they were much more expensive. Would anyone know of a reasonably priced hotel, b%26amp;b or cabins that would be able to accommodate our group.

Paula ( Ireland)

Seeking reasonably priced lodging in or near Cody, Wyoming

Big Bear Inn is ranked #3 on Trip Advisor- check out this hotel. We always stay at Cody Cowboy Village. Good luck!

Seeking reasonably priced lodging in or near Cody, Wyoming

We are looking at Best Western Sunset Inn... they have a pool and decent rates. Nothing is decently priced in summer, prime tourist season!

I%26#39;m sorry to pass on to you our review, but here it is as posted on TA. I will say, the price might be right for some.

I wish I%26#39;d listened more carefully!!! Haven%26#39;t we all said that? Stayed at the Big Bear Inn. I have nothing kind to say about it. The sheets and towels were grey and thin (really thin). No clock in the room, nor phone, nor clean... The AC, believe this or not, was located in the wall between and above the two beds; we joked that, on starting, it sounded like a duck loudly quacking. Ironically, we went to Cody to visit friends who told us that they had stayed at the Big Bear Inn 20+ years ago, and had heard that it hadn%26#39;t changed at all. Sooo right! Strongly advise anyone to go elsewhere. Anywhere elsewhere.

Thanks for the post. Just trying to look at the rates and websites. We usually stay only at a top rated Trip Advisor Hotel. I know that the Cody Cowboy Village is great and will be great again this year!!!

Try Bison Willy%26#39;s. There are two cabins. One has 3 sets of bunkbeds with a small kitchen and bath. The other house is bigger and also has a kitchen and, I think, two baths. (It is a hostel, but you can rent whole house.)

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I was on the verge of reserving Big Bear Inn when I came across your review. I have now opted for the BW Sunset. I would have loved the Cowboy Village but it was more than we wanted to pay.

I found BW Sunset a pretty reasonably priced place. Like Casa said, prices are a bit steep everywhere.

We decided on BW Sunset mostly for its walking proximity to the Buffalo Bill Museum and Sierra Trading Post. Our time will be limited in Cody so I wanted to be walking distance to both places. I think they also have a laundry facilities so that%26#39;s a plus seeing that we will have been on the road for a few days before we get there.

If you have AAA, the rate is decent.

Opinions on a couple of campgrounds needed

We are looking at a couple of campgrounds: Flagg Ranch (www.flaggranch.com) or Rocky Mountain Camground (www.rockmountainrvpark.com). Anyone stay at either of these places? Did you find them convenient or were they too far from the things we%26#39;ll most likely want to do?

Once we determine the campground, then I can ask more in-depth questions on the what tro do%26#39;s, etc. In the mean time, I%26#39;ve saved several of the websites that you%26#39;ve posted.

Thanks much for the advice!

Opinions on a couple of campgrounds needed

Flagg Ranch is the most centrally located if you are not going to change campgrounds, which in previous posts you said was what you were planning. The Rocky Mountain CG is in Gardiner, much to far from Tetons to use that as a base.

From Flagg Ranch to Old Faithful is at least 1.5 hours drive each direction (longer if there is traffic and/or a wildlife jam!). From Flagg Ranch to Lamar Valley is at least 2.5 hours drive each way (again longer if traffic!). From Flagg Ranch to Jackson WY is about 1.5 hours driving.

If you are ok with that amount of driving, then go for Flagg Ranch. I still would spend 2 or 3 nights in the Tetons/Jackson area, then 3 or 4 nights in YS area including Gardiner, West Yellowstone areas.

Opinions on a couple of campgrounds needed

Casa,

Just what I needed to hear! I%26#39;ll need to let the in-laws know that if we stay at either one of those sites, it%26#39;s a lot of driving. While we normally don%26#39;t mind, I hate the thought of paying for gas. Ugh!

Decisions, decisions...

Lake Yellowstone Hotel backside rooms

Can anyone advise exactly what ';backside'; rooms in LY hotel are like. Are they simply rooms at the rear of the main part of the hotel, or does it means something more than that. How do these relate to the Annex?

Lake Yellowstone Hotel backside rooms

The Annex was just added on, but Lake Yellowstone Hotel is just one long building, including the Annex. Backside looks out onto the parking lot. You aren%26#39;t going to sit in your room looking out the window.

Lake Yellowstone Hotel backside rooms

I%26#39;d agree with the above but would also add that they are very nice rooms in a beautiful hotel in a wonderful location. Can%26#39;t go wrong there.

OK thanks folks. Given that we will be there 1 night %26amp; as correctly pointed out, we won%26#39;t be sitting in our room while there, we%26#39;ll go with this option.

Driving from Salt Lake City to Yellowstone

Hello to all you wonderful TA%26#39;s.

I am finally fulfilling my ';Dream';, a visit to see the wildlife, and splendour of Yellowstone NP.

We will be travelling from Salt Lake City to West Yellowstone(on 10th May) via the South entrance of the park.

Our accomodation at West Yellowstone is available to us on the 11th May for 1 week.

We were hoping some of you guys could suggest an affordable overnight stay somewhere on that night 10th May ?

Do we go to Jackson%26#39;s Hole, or into the park ?

Also a few suggestions as to things/places to see on route would be most appreciated.

Driving from Salt Lake City to Yellowstone

Hi

We are arriving in SLC on 3 June and have accommodation in GTNP for the 4th. As the flight from UK is so long we have opted to stay our first night in SLC to ';recover';.

On our previous trip we drove as far as Lava Hot Springs (Idaho) on the first night, but it was a bit scary as it was dark and there were warnings of deer on the road so speed had to be watched.

Just my opinion, but I think it better to stay somewhere close by the airport for a first night and then set off early next morning, take your time and enjoy the scenery. If you go through Logan Canyon and Bear Lake it is a beautiful drive and worth a few stops on the way.

Driving from Salt Lake City to Yellowstone

It is a 5 hour drive thru SE Wyoming to Jackson Hole. Stay there your first night if your flight arrives early in the day. Jackson Hole is great! Enjoy a meal at the Gunbarrel Restuarant.

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Planing our trip

We are planning a trip to Yellowstone first part of July. We are a family of 7. 5 kids ages 4-9. i am overwhelmed as to where to start with lodging that can accomadate us and activities. Any ideas?

Planing our trip

How many days and what do you want to see- YNP and GT?

Planing our trip

I would look at www.nps.gov/yell to get information on what to do.

Look in West Yellowstone or Gardiner for lodging, I don%26#39;t think there will be anything big enough in YS park. Check tho at www.travelyellowstone.com

Plan on at least 3-4 nights in YS and 2-3 in Tetons. There are more places to stay in Jackson WY, but again, that first week in July is a busy one, and lots of lodging is sold out.

When you check the suggested website for lodging in the park, consider also calling them and inquiring. It is very late to find any lodging in the park, much less with the entire family, but voice contact might be better in your case. Also, try W. Yellowstone chamber of commerce, by phone, to see what they recommend. Beggars cannot be choosers in this case. FYI, Jackson is too far, IMO, from Yellowstone to be a focal point; it is, however, for GTNP.

Must sees to and from Yellowstone and Grand Tetons NP

We will begin our trip in Sioux City. We plan to drive through Rapid City on our way to Grand Tetons and Yellowstone National Parks. Our return route is through Montana and North Dakota.

We have 10 days for the trip. How many days should we alot for each national park and what wayside stops are must sees in South Dakota and Montana(Rushmore, etc.)?

Where should we overnight between Rapid City and the NPs? Between Yellowstone and Fargo? We will tent camp in the national parks, but are not opposed to lodging a few nights of the trip.

Must sees to and from Yellowstone and Grand Tetons NP

I can%26#39;t help you outside the parks but maybe some help inside them. I%26#39;d keep a day and a half (or 2) for the Tetons and the rest for Yellowstone.

We put our trip reports and several pictures on our website. The travel tips for YNP have a list of what we thought were must sees. I doubt its inclusive though. Some of the information there might be useful in planning the trip.

www.alandsuejohnson.com/yellowstone_home.htm

Lodging in the parks will probably be a problem so camping is good.

Must sees to and from Yellowstone and Grand Tetons NP

You can make Cody from Rapid City to start your YNP tour.

From Rapid City head to Cody WY. Spend the night there. A few rv parks and a state park to the west have camping. Visit the museums too.

1 Stop in Rapid City. See Mt Rushmore

2 To Cody

3 To YS - Canyon or Bridge Bay CG

4 YS - Canyon CG

5 YS - Drive to Tetons. Stay in Colter Bay, Signal Mtn or Gros Ventre

6 Tetons again

7 Back to YS, camp in Madison

8 YS camp in Madison or head out the NE entrance

9 YS area to Medora ND, Theodore Roosevelt Nat Park South

10 To Fargo.

I would consider stopping at Jewel Cave in Custer, SD and also Devil%26#39;s Tower in WY on the way to Cody.

I%26#39;m not sure how much you care to drive in one day, but another option is to drive from Rapid City to Jackson on your second day. That%26#39;s about 9 hours according to Google maps. The advantage with this is that you avoid some backtracking. (Though there%26#39;s no more pleasant place to backtrack than Yellowstone and the Tetons:-)

My personal favorite for camping in Yellowstone is Canyon Campground. It is a central location and about as different from North Dakota as you can get.

If you don%26#39;t mind moving your camp, you could spend your last night in the park at Slough Creek or Pebble Creek Campground along the northeast entrance road, do some wildlife watching in the early AM, then take the Bear Tooth Highway. You might be able to drive as far as Medora to spend the night.

One note, neither Slough Creek or Pebble Creek take reservations.

Seattle to Yellowstone

We%26#39;re thinking of driving from Seattle to Yellowstone - 4 adults and 2 teenage kids - our plan is to leave on Friday, June 27th and drive for about 7 hours or so, spend the night in some basic motel and then drive again on Saturday morning. We want to spend Saturday afternoon, Sunday, Monday in the park and then drive back on Tuesday. Hopefully that%26#39;s enough time to see the key features of the park.

I have some questions -

1) Any recommendations on where to stay about 6-7 hours from seattle? Something basic with a decent bed and shower is all we need.

2) Which entrance should we go to?

3) Any recommendations on camp sites? Should we stay inside the park or outside the park?

4) Any idea if reservations would be needed given this is not the July 4th weekend but the one before that?

Thanks,

Kay

Seattle to Yellowstone

1) I can%26#39;t help much, maybe stay in Missoula MT or Butte MT.

2) Probably the West Entrance,

3) Canyon and Madison are both nice. I would stay in the park if you can.

4) Get reservations www.travelyellowstone.com to get the phone number, they don%26#39;t take online. THere also are some campgrounds inside the park that don%26#39;t take reservations. NEed to be there early.

www.nps.gov/yell

Seattle to Yellowstone

Hi there and welcome KaykaySeattle,

Sounds like you are going to have a great time and surely you will want to come back and spend more time.

#1 - I would make the push to get to Missoula (about 8 hours) if you can other wise you will find yourself between Wallace Falls, ID and Superior, MT which are both small towns. In Missoula there are many hotels and resturants right off the freeway (I-90)and you will be sure to get to Yellowstone earlier in the day, though still another 6 hours or so.

#2 - I would choose to go in through West Yellowstone (West Entrance)and out through Gardiner (North Entrance) as this will reduce backtracking and give you a different perspective on mountain scenery.

#3 - Absolutely stay in the park, you mentioned you were camping so I would consider getting reservations at either Canyon or Madison (both are close to the center of the park and eaier if you have an RV) if you need reservations. If you want a smaller campground (which don%26#39;t take reservations) I would try for Norris, Indian Creek, or Pebble Creek (a bit out of the way but beautiful). These campgrounds are 1st come/1st served but there are always some sites available until late afternoon in my experience.

#4 - If you can get them I would try to get reservations first and if you have difficulty then use the many other campgrounds as a fall back. I actually prefer the smaller camps as they are quieter and offer a more traditional experience.

Depending on where you end up staying, I think you can easily commit a day to each loop and your afternoon doing a nice hike like Fairy Falls, Mt. Washburn, or just sit and enjoy the wildlife at either Lamar Valley or Hayden Valley. These are the BIG valleys that most of the wildlife viewing occurs and if you have a spotting scope or decent binoculars you might even get to see wolves or bears.

Let us know if you have anymore questions and I hope this is helpful,

- Kery

Horseback riding in July around Jackson

HI, I am looking for some recommendations for horseback riding outfitters in the Jackson area. We%26#39;d like to do a short ride, about 2 hours, through some nice country. I%26#39;ve found Castagno Outfitters and the operation at the Togwotee Lodge. Anybody have opinions on these, or know of others? Thanks

Horseback riding in July around Jackson

we did a 2 hour trip up at jenny lake but i don%26#39;t remember the company. here is a good link with several companies that operate out of jackson.

jacksonholenet.com/summer_recreation/horseba…

Horseback riding in July around Jackson

The Castagno Outfitters do a great job. Very nice family and well respected in the area. THey also offer a dinner chuckwagon ride that is a lot of fun too and has a big steak.

late August/early September trip

will everything still be open for a late August/early September 2009 trip to Tetons and YNP? Labor Day is late next year, and while the weather may not hold out, do the park facilities, restaurants, general stores, etc? We%26#39;re looking at August 26-Sept 7.

late August/early September trip

Hi smnornes,

Most everything should be open while you are there. Here is a link to 2008 schedule for Yellowstone: nps.gov/yell/…open_closedates.htm

And a link for Grand Teton 2008 schedule: www.nps.gov/grte/planyourvisit/hours.htm

2009 might be pushed back a week because of Labor Day, but I would check with the parks just to be sure.

Yellowstone is a wonderful place to visit. Enjoy your trip!

late August/early September trip

Generally speaking most things stay open until at least Labor Day every year and wouldn%26#39;t expect to see anything different in 2009.

Some of the campgrounds and cabins in YNP will close right after Labor Day but September is still one of the best times to be in Yellowstone and Grand Teton. Less tourists, more wildlife, and pleasant weather makes late summer a fantastic time to be in the mountains.

- Kery

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Itinerary Help Please-GTNP & YNP

Hi All-

We are one big family caravanning together- my husband and I, our 2 teen girls, sis and bro in law with their two, 8 %26amp; 10, and g%26#39;ma and g%26#39;pa for their 50th anniv. We will be spending 2 nights in GTNP and 2 nights in YNP. Didn%26#39;t realize how far out we needed to book so unfortunately we are at Flagg Ranch and Pahaska Teepee. Dates are July 13-17 2008. Would like to horseback ride, but probably no rafting with the oldsters. Want to see OF of course, but don%26#39;t quite know where to start to plan for anything else. Any ideas welcomed.

Itinerary Help Please-GTNP %26amp; YNP

here%26#39;s a good place to start.

www.jacksonholenet.com

you can read about all the excursions available in the area %26amp; there are other links to gtnp %26amp; ynp.

there is a rodeo on wed %26amp; sat nights in jackson that i%26#39;m betting all would enjoy. the smooth water raft trips %26amp; cookout afterwards are pretty fun.

Itinerary Help Please-GTNP %26amp; YNP

I don%26#39;t think Flagg Ranch and Pahaska Teepee are that bad from what I have seen online... but I have not been there.

There are many motels in Jackson.... did you check there?

You have a very quick trip planned. I%26#39;m sure you will have time either at Canyon area in YS or in the Tetons to do a quick horseback ride.

Day 1 Jul 13 YS night

Day 2 Jul 14 Visit YS, drive lower loop road.

Day 3 Jul 15 Visit YS, drive upper loop road

Day 4 Jul 16 See a bit of YS, then drive on to Tetons.

Day 5 Jul 17 Tetons... then???

Thanks, we%26#39;ll check into these ideas.

Casa- I realize this is a quick trip; I should have indicated this is en route to a week on a lake in Minnesota. :)

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Brit whose got 14 days and a car......

My partner and I want visit Yellowstone in early Sept

but have bought a rubbish guide book and can%26#39;t make head nor tail of it. Can%26#39;t even decide where to fly to. Though woudl prefer to flyin and out of the same airport for simplicity. We don%26#39;t mind a fair bit of driving, love history, like to walk/light hike, love animals and scenary. so I guess its loads of questions

Where to fly to?

How long to stay in YS?

What else to do?

how cold will it be?

Will it be busy?

Any hints much appreciated.....:)

Brit whose got 14 days and a car......

Jackson Hole is the closest. WE fly into there. Its right in the Grand Tetons and right beside the park.

We stayed in Yellowstone for a week last June and will again next June. The Grand Tetons are worth a couple of days as well.

Not sure about the weather. I%26#39;d assume you%26#39;d want layers to be ready for most kinds of weather.

Even its busy, the park is so huge that people get spread out. It will be better than July or August in any event.

We put trip reports, many pictures with comments and trip planning information for Yellowstone on our website. Maybe it would help you get oriented better than the guidebook. There%26#39;s also a map that shows mileages and has links to pictures of the various areas.

www.AlandSueJohnson.com

Yellowstone link is on the left.

You might also look at the Glacier National Park links. Its a days drive away and is spectacular. Most and maybe all of its accomodations may be closed then though.

Brit whose got 14 days and a car......

if you got that much time (12 days of sightseeing) i%26#39;d probably take in both glacier np %26amp; yellowstone/grand teton np. since you can rent %26amp; drop for no upcharge, i%26#39;d probably fly into one place %26amp; out of another area just to cut down on the driving a little. if you want to see both parks the two airports that are most convenient are jackson hole (JAC) %26amp; kalispell, mt (FCA). we usually fly into FCA, visit glacier np for a few days %26amp; then make our way down into yellowstone, cody, grand teton, %26amp; then finish with a few days staying in jackson (but you could do this in reverse). if you just want to do yellowstone, fly in %26amp; out of jackson. the scenery %26amp; hiking is awesome in both areas but i probably prefer the hikes in glacier just because some of the views are so jaw-dropping.

you could get any weather in september (snow to 80 degrees). i would count on cool nights (high 30%26#39;s) %26amp; moderate days (60-70) but that%26#39;s just a guess.

i would divide my time up with about 4 days in glacier, 4 days in yellowstone, 1 day in cody, 3 days in jackson. here is a good link for you.

www.jacksonholenet.com (info on ynp %26amp; jackson)

http://glacierparkchat.com/phpBB3/index.php (info on everything about glacier. you may have to join but you won%26#39;t get on spam lists)

your timing is good in that it shouldn%26#39;t be very busy.

Thanks thats really helpful whose the best carrier frOm the into the two airports you mentioned and any suggestions where to stay

Just to be cheeky......:)

From UK you may find it cheaper to fly into Salt Lake City and drive up through Grand Teton NP into Yellowstone (about 5 hours from SLC to Jackson) - it depends what your budget is with regard to air fare. I think car rental charge for picking up and dropping off in different states.

It also depends how much you want to see whether you just stick to Grand Teton and Yellowstone or to include Glacier as well. I personally would prefer to leave Glacier for a seperate trip.

We are visiting Yellowstone for a second time this year and intend spending 10 days there (3 days last visit wasn%26#39;t long enough). Our last visit was early September and it was quite warm (shorts and t shirt weather), but it snowed one of the days. We arrived in Jackson and temp was in the 80%26#39;s, next morning it was snowing and temp was 40%26#39;s - it is very changeable and does so quickly.

There is a charge for renting a car in one location and dropping it off at another one - sometimes a substantial charge since they have to get the car back to the original site. I agree that Salt Lake City is probably going to be less expensive all around and the drive is fairly easy. We went to Yellowstone in late Sept. and it snowed like crazy but you should be fine in early Sept. The crowds will have thinned out and the driving easier. I also agree 3 days may not be enough if you like to get out of the car and walk the trails and see some wildlife. Layering is the key since the temperatures will be warmer during the day but there are some areas that don%26#39;t get much sun and a jacket will come in handy. I really enjoyed all of Yellowstone, each part is different. The geysers, the waterfalls, the mudpots, etc. - it is a really unique place so plan on taking your time and enjoy.

Summer Trip Itinerary

-We are going on a summer trip to the American, and Canadian rockies, with children 11 and 16. We need to know if this itinerary sounds good, of if we should change anything. Also need help on where to stay between our desinations, and what are the most senic roads to take.We will be flying into Jackson, and out of Spokane.

-is it worth spending a day driving the beartooth highway? Thanks!

Summer 2008 Itinerary

Aug 12: Jackson, Wyoming (Grand Teton National Park)

Aug 13: Jackson, Wyoming (Grand Teton National Park)

Aug 14: Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

Aug 15: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 16: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 17: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 18: Make a 1 nights stop between Yellowstone and Glacier National Park

Aug 19: Glacier National Park, Montana

Aug 20: Glacier National Park

Aug 21: Glacier National Park

Aug 22: Banff National Park,

Aug 23: Banff National Park

Aug 24: Banff National Park

Aug 25: Jasper National Park, Alberta- Canada

Aug 26: Jasper National Park

Aug 27: Lake Louise, Alberta- Canada

Aug 28: Make a 1 night stop between Lake Louise and Spokane

Aug 29: Spokane, Washington

Aug 30: Home

Summer Trip Itinerary

Looks like a great trip. We were in YNP and GT last year and will be going back again this year. Go ahead and make your hotel/cabin reservations and your car reservations. Check on some car reservations do not allow you to go out of US.

Summer Trip Itinerary

The Beartooth Highway is supposed to be one of the most scenic highways my friends have ever driven. I%26#39;ve seen the photos and it did look gorgeous. Only you can decide if you want to make the effort.

Road trip attractions?

I%26#39;m planning a December road trip through the states. Any suggestions concerning where to go, stay, and what to see would be appricated.

Road trip attractions?

We really will need much more information, such as how long your have for your trip? Where do you fly into? What do you like to do, sightseeing, recreation, theme parks, city stuff? Who is going, family, couple, single, retired?

If you are planning on visiting Wyoming, December is winter, cold, snowy and can be difficult driving around. A visit to Jackson Hole to ski would be fun.

Road trip attractions?

Hey there. Sorry the trip will be between 2 and three weeks. I%26#39;m either starting in Florida and working my way up or I can start in Boston and work my way down. (Either works as I have family in both places). I was planning on hiring a car; however I have heard that going by train and bus works well too. Also, there will be about 7 of us (young adults/ no children) from different nationalities so anything from museums and sky diving to camping will be considered fun! It also means we%26#39;re indifferent about the weather as to half of us snow is a new experience. Our budget is fairly flexible which helps a lot but mainly we%26#39;re looking at about 2- 3 star places, bed and breakfasts, and possibly hostels (but I%26#39;m a bit hesitant as sometimes you don%26#39;t know what to expect). Also, I%26#39;ve had the fortunate experience of living in Canada in the winter so I have driven in the snow before. Of course we wouldn%26#39;t want the trip delayed by snow storms etc so please recommend what you think is best. Thanks for your input!

the jackson hole area is beautiful in the winter. lots of things to do. there are 6,000-10,000 elk that come down from the mountains to the elk refuge for the winter, which is almost in downtown jackson. buffalo, bighorn sheep, mule deer, %26amp; eagles are plentiful.

snowmobiling is very popular during that time. it%26#39;s a lot of fun %26amp; there are several options of places to visit. there are 3 ski resorts in the jackson area %26amp; lessons are given that will have you skiing by yourself in 1/2 day. taking a trip into yellowstone during the winter is also a must. you can go by snowcoach or guided snowmobile tour.

here is a link is helpful if you are considering coming to this area.

www.jacksonholenet.com

I posted a reply to you on the Colorado forum page also but since Wyoming is farther north than Colorado the chances of you actually driving from the East coast to Wyoming and back again in the 2 weeks that you say you have for this trip are not easily done. As someone else posted, December can be brutal as far as driving conditions with blizzards. Blizzards come roaring in on a wave of frigid arctic air, and bring snow, low temperatures, strong winds and poor visibility due to blowing snow (like you can%26#39;t see the front of your car). Highways close down and you may be stuck for days where you are. I believe your best bet is to either fly in to a city in the west or stay on the East coast where your original plans are.

Thanks alot - I%26#39;ve decided to take most people%26#39;s advice and stick to the East coast. The country was just so big that i had no idea where to start and how much i would be able to see! So hopefully I%26#39;ll get to see Wyoming another time:)

Returning from Yellowstone to SLC

We are driving this June (with dog) from San D to Jackson, Jackson Lake Lodge, and three days in cabin at Yellowstone Lake Lodge. Leaving Yellow. to go south to SLC is 346 miles. Is there a lovely place to stay somewhere mid-point? On the way up we will be taking I-15, then Logan/89 to Jackson.

Returning from Yellowstone to SLC

You might want to post this in Idaho and Utah forums to get some responses. Sorry I can%26#39;t help you out on this one.

Returning from Yellowstone to SLC

thank you, I';ll do that,

Park

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Summer Trip Itinerary

-We are going on a summer trip to the American, and Canadian rockies, with children 11 and 16. We need to know if this itinerary sounds good, of if we should change anything. Also need help on where to stay between our desinations, and what are the most senic roads to take.We will be flying into Jackson, and out of Spokane.

-is it worth spending a day driving the beartooth highway? Thanks!

Summer 2008 Itinerary

Aug 12: Jackson, Wyoming (Grand Teton National Park)

Aug 13: Jackson, Wyoming (Grand Teton National Park)

Aug 14: Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

Aug 15: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 16: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 17: Yellowstone National Park

Aug 18: Make a 1 nights stop between Yellowstone and Glacier National Park

Aug 19: Glacier National Park, Montana

Aug 20: Glacier National Park

Aug 21: Glacier National Park

Aug 22: Banff National Park,

Aug 23: Banff National Park

Aug 24: Banff National Park

Aug 25: Jasper National Park, Alberta- Canada

Aug 26: Jasper National Park

Aug 27: Lake Louise, Alberta- Canada

Aug 28: Make a 1 night stop between Lake Louise and Spokane

Aug 29: Spokane, Washington

Aug 30: Home

Summer Trip Itinerary

I think you have a great trip planned. We will be in YS area a week before you. Make sure you get reservations for lodging now, if you are looking inside YS park. www.travelyellowstone.com and also call.

Also your kids may be interested in the Junior Ranger program, they answer questions in the different parks and earn badges. My son loved this when he was younger.

I have not driven the Beartooth Highway, so can%26#39;t give you input, but many here recommend it.

Maybe stop in Helena MT between YS and Glacier.

On the way to Banff, stop and see Waterton Lakes National Park and between Banff/Jasper make sure you visit the Columbia Ice Field. I still remember my first trip there when I was 7!

Summer Trip Itinerary

skimountains,

Looks like an awesome trip! I%26#39;ll be going next year, and am facing the same dilemma about the Beartooth. I hear its worth the time, but coming in from the south it seems so far out of the way.

If you decide to do it, you should either 1.)leave YNP on the 18th by way of the northeast entrance, drive to Red Lodge,MT (or past) and up to 90, backtracking toward Glacier, or 2.) do it in the middle of your stay...maybe drive to Cody, up to Red Lodge and back to YNP (I hear the Chief Joseph Hwy is beautiful as well).

But with all the other traveling, maybe a sightseeing drive might not be in your best interest. That%26#39;s why doing it in the middle of the YNP stay might work out better, if you do decide on it.

Great advices, and I%26#39;m glad ChiefWahoo is back on the forum. Hi Ron.

I would drive Beartooth Pass by all means, but maybe do that aug 17. If you stay somewhere at the northern part of Yell, you could visit and drive Lamar Valley in the morning and drive Beartooth Pass to Red Lodge in the afternoon. It%26#39;s best to drive this magnificent route from SW to NE in the afternoon (and NE to SW in the morning!). Then day 18 on your way to Glacier NP. You%26#39;ve planned yourselves a fantastic trip!

Tet

Yes, Tet, its great to be back. And I was wondering about which direction to drive on the Beartooth, so thanks for that tidbit.

I feel kind of sleezy only jumping on the forums when I need help planning a trip, but my boss (four-letter word) prefers it that way. As a member of your fan club, however, I do see you all over the boards, although rest assured I%26#39;m not stalking you...

Great advice as always. I%26#39;ll probably be heating this forum up as my 2009 YNP trip approaches, and look forward to everyone%26#39;s help. This year, however, Destin, Florida, but that%26#39;s for another post.

Ron

My 7 mille is a humble Thank You Ron, and Skimountains123, sorry for hijacking your post.

BTW Destin is not bad at all!! Isn%26#39;t that called the Redneck Riviera-lol-

Ski,

Yes, sorry for the hijacking! I plan on following all replies to your post as I hope to go to those other NPs soon.

Tet,

Congrats on the 7K. Redneck, yes, and Riviera...I hope.

Hiking early June

We are heading to Yellowstone/Grand Teton the first week of June this year. It sounds as if there is some near record snowfall going on. Should we plan on hiking in snow (even in valley trails) come June? Reason I ask is that I would be willing to invest in some crampons suitable for hiking if that is the case.

Hiking early June

I don%26#39;t think crampons would be needed for hiking any trails in June, but a pair of gaiters and waterproof boots are definately in order in the wet areas.

I think the the NE corner of the park might be in pretty good shape for the backcountry and most of the areas around the west side (Madison, Firehole, Old Faithful) are likely to be clear enough to hike. The real challenges will be for the higher elevation areas of the park like Mt. Washburn, the Canyon area, and the south entrance including Grant Village which will likely still have snow cover above 8000%26#39;.

There are sure to be plenty of areas that are in good shape for hiking in early June, just check with the Rangers for current conditions prior to heading out. Also be extra careful with stream crossings this early. Many of the rivers and streams will likely have a longer runoff this year making the water both faster and higher than previous years and the risk of being swept away or hypothermia are very serious.

I plan to start camping this year in ealry May and I will just be prepared for the changing weather and expect this to be a great water year that is long over due.

Safe travels,

- Kery

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stops between SLC and Grand Teton

Flying into SLC in early May -- any suggestions for nice stops/places to stay en route for a day or so? thanks

stops between SLC and Grand Teton

I would drive straight thru the Wyoming route to Jackson Hole. It will take you about 5 hours and there is not much to do along the way except to enjoy the scenery. Jackson Hole has great museums, restaurants, etc. We%26#39;ve done that before and it worked well. I%26#39;d rather get to Jackson Hole and enjoy the town!!!

stops between SLC and Grand Teton

I agree with the previous poster. Head straight to Jackson and enjoy the scenery along the way, and then enjoy what Jackson has to offer. If your flight is getting in too late to drive straight through,then I would take the quickest route (through Idaho Falls to hwy 26) and just stop along the way to sleep then get up early and head to Jackson.

If you aren%26#39;t in a rush then you could take the more scenic route on Hwy 89 with some things to stop and see (Bear Lake for a Raspberry Shake).

If you want to go slow and enjoy the trip up then there are two places I would recommend staying.

One would be in the Garden City UT area on Bear Lake. This is a beautiful mountain lake and lots of fun things to do, plenty to keep you busy for a day or two, biking, boating, swimming, caving, a summer theater, walking/shopping the main street, picnicing, golfing, antiquing. (it isn%26#39;t Jackson by any means, which imho is part of the charm).

http://www.bearlake.org/

Or head up to Lava Hot Springs in Idaho. Again a very small town with small town fun.

We did the trip the second week of May last year. We took the scenic route through Bear Lake as suggested above. It was a nice drive through a lot of little old fashioned towns. Bear Lake is really pretty with such a vivid color. We stopped for a Rasberry milkshake. Yummy.

May turned out to be a great time to go last year. The temps were in the 70s and animals were everywhere. But prepare for colder weather just in case. Hope you have nice trip.

Grand Targhee for 1 week

We are heading to Grand Targhee the last week of March - 4 adults %26amp; 3 kids (14, 14 %26amp; 10). Any suggestions of things to do on a day off from skiing?

Grand Targhee for 1 week

Drive over the Teton Pass and head into Jackson, lots to do, the kids will love it.

Grand Targhee for 1 week

Visit Teton Village - go downtown and wander around, go to Snow King Resort, take a tour of the national Museum of Wildlife Art - go up to Yellowstone. Lots to do - many choices.

Definitely go to the Elk Refuge in Jackson - bring the camera and even binoculars. You%26#39;ll have to buy tickets at the visitor center at the north end of town.

Yellowstone Itinerary (west entrance)

We are traveling to Yellowstone this July 2008. Our ';base'; will be at a timeshare (Yellowstone Village) in West Yellowstone. Has anyone been there?

Any suggestions on a 5 day itinerary in Yellowstone (i.e., day trips). We will be returning to West Yellowstone each night? Has anyone stayed at the Howlers Inn in Bozeman. Is it worth a 2 night stay. Any suggestions of what to do/see in Bozeman. We have 2 children (ages 7 %26amp; 11). Thanks for your help!

Yellowstone Itinerary (west entrance)

Instead of Bozeman I would go to Cody and see the museums and the rodeo. The kids will love it.

I would try to go to Mammoth and Tower and out the NE entrance one day and another day to Old Faithful area. One day could be spent making the grand loop area of YNP.

Yellowstone Itinerary (west entrance)

Just Google Bozeman. And, from the Bozeman TA site, try this: tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g45095-Activitie…

I think you will be using your five days well if you focus on YNP and Cody. Perhaps a drive to Grant Teton NP.

The kids might enjoy Bozeman, but there is so much to see and do in just the two areas mentioned, you can save on the driving. Leave that as a last minute decision.

You have probably gotten this advice before, but do have a cooler for beverages and food/snacks, so you can ';hang out'; with the wildlife. Bring binoculars!

We stayed at Howlers Inn just before Christmas %26#39;07 with kids aged 10 %26amp; 11. It was a great stay, highly recommended, and we will be writing a review for TA eventually.

But having said that we only really stayed that far north so we could visit Yellowstone NP through Gardiner on a guided safari (other entrances are closed to wheeled vehicles at that time of year). After Howlers Inn we went back to West Yellowstone for a few nights.

If it were us, in summer, with only five days, we%26#39;d take the advice of CeCeDouglasville and voyaging given above. Stick with one base rather than moving around when you could be sight seeing.

I have not stayed at Yellowstone Village, but for planning purposes it is located north of West Yellowstone about seven miles and then you turn left and drive about another five miles. It is out on a piece of land on the south side of Hebgen Lake.

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confused! please help with itinery

hello, I%26#39;m trying to plan a trip to glacier, yellowstone and tetons national parks for 5 adults from 23/06/08 to 14/07/08. We would most likely be flying into calgary from uk. i realise that we%26#39;d only get lodging outside the parks but i don%26#39;t want to postpone our trip as these parks look so beautiful I can%26#39;t wait for a couple more years before visiting them! what is the best way to plan the trip also bearing in mind that glacier is probably done best last due to snow? Any help is much appreciated. We enjoy moderate day hikes, wildlife, scenery.

Thanks

confused! please help with itinery

First check to see if you can rent a car in Canada and drive to US. While in Calgary area, see Banff and Jasper and the Columbia Ice Field.

Visit www.nps.gov for each park to get ideas on hikes, activities etc.

confused! please help with itinery

Have you considered flying into Seattle,Washington; Boise, Idaho; or Jackson, Wyoming instead? They are less expensive than Calgary, although only Seattle is a direct flight. With the amount of time you have alloted yourselves for the trip, you could enjoy Banff and Jasper as well. I would start with the southern-most part of the trip first because of the possibilities of snow/muddy ground the further north you go. You could do something like this...

June 23 - fly into Jackson, Wyoming

24 - Grand Tetons

25 - Grand Tetons

26 - Yellowstone National Park

27 - Yellowstone National Park

28 - Yellowstone National Park

29 - drive Beartooth Scenic Byway if open to Red Lodge; overnight there; if not open drive over to Cody, Wyoming for museums and ';The Old West'; flavor

30 - Drive toward Glacier; overnight in Helena or Great Falls

July 1 - Glacier National Park

2 - Glacier NP

3 - Glacier NP

4 - drive into Canada to Waterton and Lake Louise

5 - Lake Louise

6 - Icefields Parkway to Jasper

7 - Jasper

8 - return to Banff

9 - Banff to Whitefish

10 - Flathead Lake area; overnight Missoula

11 - Stanley %26amp; Sawtooth Mountains of Idaho

12 - Craters of the Moon; return to Jackson

13 - Jackson

14 - fly out of Jackson

You don%26#39;t have to give up completely on lodging inside the parks. They often have cancellations that don%26#39;t show up on the online reservation page. You can only find these by calling the park concessioners directly to see if there is anything available. The phone numbers are on their web pages. For Yellowstone its Xanterra and the numbers are 866-439-7375 or 307-344-7311. Don%26#39;t know about the other parks.

This year has definitely been a snowy one! Especially here in the Yellowstone area. Don%26#39;t postpone your trip! Just start planning now.

I would still book your lodging as soon as possible.

(It has been much harder to book lodging within Glacier than Yellowstone during the past few years.)

Check the cancellation policies carefully so if you do want to switch you can do so without a penalty. The last week of June is normally not completely booked, but the first two weeks of July are very busy. Even the communities around the park can fill during these two weeks.

We like to stay at Signal Mountain or Jenny Lake Lodge in Grand Teton National Park. There are other options as well like Colter Bay. There is a ferry that will transport you across Jenny Lake to hiking trails on the other side of the lake.

Renting camp gear near Grant Village campground

Hi,

We are planning to tent-camp for one night at Yellowstone on the coming long weekend. Are there any places nearby where we can rent stuff from? for e.g. sleeping bags/pads, stoves etc.

We are a bunch of guys driving from Seattle. I am trying to find ways to reduce the luggage we have to carry from here.

Thanks,

Subir

Renting camp gear near Grant Village campground

Subir- There is no place to rent camping equipment within Yellowstone. There is one place I know of in Jackson, WY - Leisure Sports Outdoor Rentals (307) 733-3040. There is no one in West Yellowstone that I know of. I checked with Xanterra (the company that manages camping reservations). There are plenty of camping spots left yet for this weekend.

Just a head%26#39;s up. It has been chilly at night...mid 30%26#39;s so bring some warm clothes.

Renting camp gear near Grant Village campground

Ok. Thanks. I have read that there is a store close to the campground. Does the store stock firewood?

Also, any comments about the restaurant close to the campground?

ok. i am back from my Yellowstone trip and can report that the store near the Grant Village campground does have firewood. In fact it is like a mini-Safeway :) It has a small grocery section where you can find fruits etc. The cold storage contains chicken, sausages etc.

And Village Grill, the restaurant near the campground is also decent. Its more like a deli.

Thanks..

Hi!

Did you end up renting camping gear or take your own?

Kay

It is hard to find camping equipment rentals near the park. You CANNOT rent camping equipment within Yellowstone Park, West Yellowstone, Gardiner, Livingston, or Big Sky, Montana. But, you can rent an RV at Big Boys Toys in Bozeman, Montana.

Question about lodging

Has anyone stayed in Yellowstone Lodge in West Yellowstone? Any replys would be appreciated.

Question about lodging

As you might know, W. Yellowstone is in Montana. If you go to Montana Forums, select ';Hotels %26amp; Accommodations';, left hand column, and you will find, among other lodgings, the Yellowstone Lodge and its reviews.

Question about lodging

See my message on your other post.

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Which direction for upper loop drive?

Sometime June 7, 8 or 9, our family will drive the upper loop from West Yellowstone (and back).

We plan to have already visited the Canyon area and Norris Geyser basin on our drive from Cody to West Yellowstone on June 6, so we will be able to bypass those areas on the upper loop drive.

Should we begin to head clockwise from Norris, go to Mammoth Hot Springs in the morning, then to Tower after lunch and be in Lamar Valley in late afternoon? Could we be back in West Y by 9:00 (before dark) if we were out of Lamar Valley by 6:00? Will the animals in Lamar Valley be active yet between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m.?

Or should we start out in the morning and drive counterclockwise and go to Lamar Valley first, then work our way to Tower, Mammoth Hot Springs and back to West Y? (It is doubtful I could cheerfully get my kids up and around before 7 or 8, so it would be hard to get to Lamar Valley very early.) How late in the morning are animals likely to be active in early June?

I will appreciate any insight anyone can give.

Which direction for upper loop drive?

tntands,

It has been suggested my many TA members to travel the NE entrance into YNP from Cody via Cooke City then go to Mammoth Hot Springs and on to West Yellowstone. Then travel another day from West Yellowstone to Old Faithful and make the grand loop thru West Thumb, Lake and Canyon and back to West Yellowstone. This seems like a good plan but I would like to hear other TA forum suggestions. We are staying in Gardiner. Day 1 we are touring the grand loop starting at Mammoth, Norris, Old Faithful, West Thumb, Lake, Canyon and Tower Falls. Day 2 we are leaving Gardiner and going out the NE entrance to Cooke City then to Cody for 2 days. We will then enter YNP again thru the eastern entrance and head to the GT on our way to Jackson Hole. Good luck with your plans!!

Which direction for upper loop drive?

CeCe,

I had thought about that option, but was afraid it would be too much driving on the day we enter the park. I will have to reconsider. We could probably have an easier time getting an early start from Cody because we should get to bed earlier the night we are there. If we could get out of Cody by 6:30 or so on the Chief Joseph Highway, we might be able to get to Lamar Valley before it gets too hot. I would guess it would take 2-3 hours to get to Cooke City. (However, there is always the chance of snow closing Chief Joseph or Dunraven pass for that matter) We could drive to Canyon and Hayden Valley from West Yellowstone on another day.

I will give your suggestion some more thought.

Tntands,

Both of us will have to check the NPS websites for updates on road closings, etc. YNP has gotten heavy snow this year. I have never been on the Beartooth Hwy but understand that it is the area between Red Lodge and Cooke City that closes because of snow. The NPS keeps the NE route open all year long. Or at least that is what I understand.

On the first question, I%26#39;d go to Norris, then Canyon and to Lamar Valley. It doesn%26#39;t really matter what time of day you go into Mammoth but Dunraven Pass and Lamar might be better in the morning. You normally see more wildlife early. Last June there were several bears with cubs visible from the road going the North side of Mt. Washburn.

It might be less important to be early in June since it shouldn%26#39;t get so hot during the day.

If it were me, I think I would head toward Canyon first. The Dunraven/Mt. Washburn area can be a good place to see bears and wolves in the morning. Then watch for black bears around the Tower/Roosevelt area. Then out the northeast entrance road and back. Stop at some of the pull-outs near the Yellowstone Institute and look around. In past years there has been a wolf pack in that area. Also try the Slough Creek Campground road to look for wolves.

Next, on the way to Mammoth, watch for the Hellroaring Creek overlook. Occasionally, some lucky person spots a mountain lion from there.

Now you have time in the afternoon to check out Mammoth Hot Springs. See the terraces, check out the Visitors Center, wave to the web cam, maybe have dinner. As you drive south from there in the evening you%26#39;re likely to see more wildlife.

Binoculars would be helpful for seeing more animals.

In early June, the sun rises very early and sets late. We have left West Yellowstone at 5:00 AM and have been sitting in Lamar at sunrise with our breakfast %26amp; coffee listening to the wolves howl. Conversely, we have eaten a picnic dinner at the Yellowstone Picnic area (up near Lamar), then gone into Lamar, watched the elk, bison and antelope, and also watched the grizzlies come down to the river for several hours and made it back to West Yellowstone before dark (leaving by 7:45 PM to return usually around 9:15). So, based on your family, I would plan the later.

The best part about early June is that the bears remain at lower altitudes throughout the day. During the first week of June last year, we spotted grizzlies and black bears near Dunraven and the Tower area from 9:30 - 1:00 PM.

Thanks for the advice Yellowstonefan. How far into the park from West Yellowstone would I need to drive to get to early morning prime wildlife viewing areas?

I will probably be awake an hour or two before my family each morning, so if I could drive 15-20 minutes and see wildlife, I may do that a few mornings. We will be in West for 4 nights.

How Long from Jackson Hole to YSNP?

Team,

How long drive from Jackson Hole to YSNP?

How long would it take to drive around YSNP - without stopping?

Do hire cars at Jackson Hoel airport already have snow chains fitted to hire ehicles in late September?

Kangarooo!

How Long from Jackson Hole to YSNP?

it%26#39;s about 60 miles from jackson to the south entrance to ynp. the north loop of the figure 8 is 70 miles aroud it. the south loop is 84 miles if you don%26#39;t repeat the road from canyon to norris (that makes up the bottom of the north loop %26amp; top of the south loop). i would take a day to do both loops when you consider stopping to sightsee, eat, hike, take pictures, etc. even if you are just going to drive the figure 8 i would count on a full day. i think the speed limit is 35 mph %26amp; depending on the time of year, there could be some traffic. you shouldn%26#39;t need chains or even 4 wheel drive in late september. there can be snow that early but i doubt there would be anything hampering your drive.

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Yellowstone from Seattle

Hi,

We are travelling from seattle to yellowstone during memorial day weekend and I think we may not be able to drive for 12 hours without stop. We are looking for a place around 8-9 hours from seattle where we can make an overnight stop. Any advice?

Thanks

Yellowstone from Seattle

Boise should be at about that range..maybe on the early side. We did it from Puyallup as our first day many times. I-90 then I-82 to Tri-Cities and cut down to I-84. If you drive a little faster perhaps reach Mountain Home or Twin Falls going east because the big hill to the Snake River near Ontario is all downhill going that way.

Boise may offer more lodging choice in different price ranges so the trade off might be pushing an extra hour or two versus cost and choices further on. Then again Twin Falls would make second day in to Yellowstone a little easier.

Alternatively via I-90 Missoula or Butte. Of the two I would recommend Butte and an early start over Homestake Pass to Bozeman the next day (if entering Yellowstone from north). A lot depends on exactly where at Yellowstone you are headed.

The trouble with both routes is they go too far north or south and have to come back to the middle due to mountains (and lack of roads) in Idaho.

Yellowstone from Seattle

Thanks for the reply Sequim88

I posted a similar question. Could you recommend where you ended up staying?

USTraveller9,

I wouldn%26#39;t go from Seattle to YNP via the Boise route unless you want to add miles and time to your drive. I would go I-90 and plan to stop at either Missoula (7.5hrs) or Butte (9hrs) and both are well equiped to accomodate the Yellowstone traveller.

The route through Boise takes you way south and adds over 140 mles. Not to mention tha the drive through Montana is very scenic compared to the high desert of east Oregon and western Idaho.

Seattle to West Yellowstone:

via Montana - 750 miles and about 10-11 hours

via Boise - 890 miles and about 12-13 hours

I have done both of these trips too many times as I have all my family in Seattle and I live an hour or so from the park entrance. If I never drive through Boise again I will be happy, it never saves me anytime and I get bored with the plain scenery. Also if you start an one of the Montana entrances you can exit by another for a different view (In through North/ out through West or vice-versa).

I-90 is in pretty good shape other than the annual summer road construction you will find anywhere in the Rocky Mountain states.

Let me know if you ahve any questions,

- Kery

Thank you for the reply Fly%26#39;s%26amp;Foto%26#39;s. I actually posted the question last year. I took the same route you mentioned and ended up staying in Missoula. I had hard luck that day finding a room as most of the hotels were booked because of a conference going on in Missoula. I was able to get a room in LaQuinta Inn just of I90 and it was good enough for one night. I hope this answers kaykaySeattle%26#39;s question.

Thank you! I will look into Missoula.

One more thing - we are taking some out of town guests and they are 4 (with 2 teenage kids) and we are 2. Is it better to book one room with roll away beds or book two rooms? Sorry for the stupid question but I havent booked a room for more than me and my husband before :)

kaykay- some motels/lodging offer adjoining or ';family'; type rooms that make it easier to accommodate teens %26amp; parents. Most places have only a limited number of cots and unless you reserve one ahead of time, there may not be any left. After a full day of driving together, those parents might appreciate a little space!

I think 6 will be too much for a room. I would go for 2 room.s

It seems too many for one bathroom, particularly if teenagers are involved. I%26#39;d just ask the other couple what their family would prefer.

Thanks all. You guys have been a big help.

Distance from Glazier NP to YSNP?

Distance from Glazier NP to YSNP?

Worth the trip?

Kangarooo!

Distance from Glazier NP to YSNP?

Its a full day but we broke it up into a 2 day trip. Very much worth it in my opinion. Here%26#39;s a link to our trip report and a bunch of pictures that might help you decide.

http://www.alandsuejohnson.com/glacier_np.htm

The best time to visit there is early to mid July up through mid to late September. I think the lodges are closed then, though.

If you notice on our menus on the left, there%26#39;s Yellowstone information there too.

Distance from Glazier NP to YSNP?

I%26#39;m in love iwth Galcier NP now.

Unfortuantely, My family are baggage that will not hike with me.

So, I am now inspired to take up hiking and come back again to your great country some other time and spend a month just hiking around your haunts before I die!

I LUV IT!

Kangarooo!

AKJ - What is name of software u use to display these photos? COOOOl!

I used JAlbum and then brought the albums into my web site. JAlbum is free and pretty easy to use.

If you don%26#39;t get to Glacier they you%26#39;ll have more time for Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons. That%26#39;s not a bad deal at all.

If you didn%26#39;t look at them, you might enjoy the Yellowstone pictures too.

Question about trails in Canyon area

We will be staying at Canyon for 2 nights in August. Curious about construction in that area. Will it be difficult to get around the area on the north rim?

Will we be able to walk from the Canyon Cabins to th Brink of the lower falls, Lookout Point and way out to SilverCord Cascade Overlook???

Thanks,

Question about trails in Canyon area

As far as I know there%26#39;s no construction planned for the North Rim this year. On the south rim the road is closed past the overlook nearest the lower falls. I%26#39;ve heard that when they%26#39;re finished with the south rim they%26#39;ll start on the northrim road and plan to reverse the one-way traffic eventually.

I%26#39;ve not hiked in that area but the map doesn%26#39;t show a trail from the cabins to the Brink of the lower falls. Doesn%26#39;t mean there isn%26#39;t one and you could walk along the road part of the way. Once you%26#39;re near the canyon there%26#39;s a trail along the rim. Here%26#39;s the map I looked at.

nps.gov/archive/…canyon.htm

Question about trails in Canyon area

They are planning to do construction on the North rim of the canyon area this summer. See articel in the Spring 2008 edition of Yellowstone Today for details:

nps.gov/yell/…yellowstone-today.htm

JMV

Construction will continue on the South Rim this year. You can park in the parking lot at Uncle Tom%26#39;s cabin again and hike down, but not back to Artist Point. There will also be construction on the North Rim roads this year. The decision about what/if hiking trails will be affected will be decided by the Canyon rangers, probably later this spring.

Yellowstonefan is local so his info may be more accurate, but according to the article in Yellowstone Today which is published by the Park Service, the work on the South Rim has been completed. It indicates that Artist point will be open but overlooks (at least the roads to them) will be closed on the North rim this summer.

JMV

Pikes Peak/Mt. Rushmore/Yellowstone/GTNP

I am planning an 11 day trip for my family of 4 and my sister%26#39;s family of 4 for mid to late June. It sounds like a lot of families are taking this trip! Here is my itinerary so far:

Day 1 -Arrive in Denver 12 pm/attend Col. Rockies game/see some Denver sights

Day 2 - Pikes Peak area/Garden of the Gods

Day 3- Travel to Custer, SD/Mt. Rushmore

Day 4 - Custer State Park, Crazy Horse, Mt. Rushmore

Day 5 - Deadwood/Black Hills/Peter Norbeck Scenic Highway

Day 6 - Drive to Cody, WY/visit Devil%26#39;s Tower along the way/Cody night rodeo

Day 7 - Buffalo Bill Museum/drive to NE entrance of YNP via Beartooth Hwy/YNP/stay in West Yellowstone

Day 8 - YNP/Drive to Jackson, WY

Day 9 - Jackson, WY/Grand Teton Nat Park

Day 10 - Jackson/or drive to Cheyenne, WY

Day 11 - Drive back to Denver

Day 12 - Fly home

Does this sound feasible? After writing it down it seems to me that we don%26#39;t have enough time in YNP. We tried to get reservations in Jackson for the 1Oth night of our trip, but it has been impossible to find something nice AND reasonable. I would like to add another day to YNP and possibly drive back to Denver from Jackson in 1 day. We have an 8:00 am flight the next morning. What do you think? Also, is it possible to drive the Beartooth Hwy from Cody to YNP in one day and still be able to see some of the park? Sorry to be so long-winded!! Thanks!!

Pikes Peak/Mt. Rushmore/Yellowstone/GTNP

Yes you are correct- there are a lot of us doing a similar trip this summer. We will be flying into Denver on May 27 and going to Mt.Rushmore, Cody, YNP and GT and returning on June 6 to Denver and flying into Atlanta. Here are my concerns:

Day 6- This will be at least a 7 hour drive or more depending on how long you spend at Devil%26#39;s Tower.

Day 7- The museums may take all morning and you will need the rest of the day to drive NE entrance to Mammoth and West Yellowstone. It doesn%26#39;t seem like you are giving yourself enough time to stop and enjoy the scenery and wildlife.

Day 8- If you leave West Yellowstone, drive to Old Faithful and then through GT to Jackson- you will make it by supper.(We did that last year) There are many areas of YNP that you will miss- Canyon, Lake Yellowstone, etc.

You can drive from Jackson to Denver in one long day. We are staying in Cheyenne and getting up the next day and driving the last 2 hours because our flight does not leave until 3 pm. Have you made reservtions yet? We are staying at Sundance Inn in Jackson Hole- reasonable and very clean. Hope this helps. Good luck with your trip plans!!

Pikes Peak/Mt. Rushmore/Yellowstone/GTNP

Sounds like a great trip, but it%26#39;s a lot of intense, and tiring, driving. If kids are with you, depending on ages, I%26#39;d reconsider. Though you would give up some very interesting country, I would reconsider Denver as an arrival city, and fly closer to and focus on Yellowstone and Tetons.

As you suggested, you are not giving enough time to YNP. Most would say you need at least two full days, and most who do two days, wish they had stayed for more. It is that large and that interesting.

You could fly into several Montana cities or Salt Lake City. Or, Jackson Hole. You don%26#39;t give the ages of the kids, but I%26#39;ll guarantee (well, be assured that) it is YNP that they will remember.

If you leave Cody early, you can do W. Yellowstone in one day and have some time to see only a portion of the park. But, then you won%26#39;t be able to see the Cody museums, and they are terrific, a diamond in a surprising area.

You do need more time to stop and smell the YNP roses (in this case, see the wildlife en route within the park) w/o rushing through it. Basically, I%26#39;m suggesting that you check your priorities of what must be seen, for which ages, and consider more time in YNP.

My immediate reactions -

1) skip Pikes Peak/Garden of the Gods -- Go to SD a day early (just the drive from Colorado Springs to Custer would be a miserable day of nothing but driving. As a local to this region, you would look back %26amp; wonder why you shorted Yellowstone to spend that day going south.

This moves your itinery up so you would have an extra day in Yellowstone.

2) You can definitely drive Jackson to Denver in a day - it will be a long day, but Denver is only an easy hour %26amp; a half from Cheyenne. Will you have one rental van or two vehicles? If you are all together, you will have enough drivers to trade off and the drive should be easy, just long.

3) Let me suggest you find something in West Yellowstone for a night or two and spend less time in Jackson.

It sounds like a wonderful family vacation!

Thank you everyone!! I love this site! We are definitely going to add a day to our YNP trip now. Our kids are ages 13 to 17, but they still don%26#39;t want to drive all day. I%26#39;d like to try and squeeze in a whitewater raft trip in Jackson, also. I%26#39;ll try everyone%26#39;s suggestions. Thanks!!

Barker-Ewing is great for raft trips. We did one last year with our kids and they loved it.

Thanks! I%26#39;ll make sure that I continue to update our plans and then write reviews on everything afterwards. We went on a Grand Circle trip in 2005 and had a wonderful time! I posted the trip under the Grand Canyon forum (I think). Thanks!!

eyeshadow ideas

best whitewater rafting (mid-june) in area

We%26#39;re trying to settle on our schedule for our June 2008 trip and still undecided on where to whitewater raft. We want to take a day trip with our two sons 11 and 9 and want as much adventure as is safe for them. We%26#39;ll be doing the Snake in Jackson Hole, but also wanted to do a trip further north in area surrounding Yellowstone. Cody advertises whitewater, the Gallatin river out of Big Sky area, %26amp; the Yellowstone out of Gardiner. Which do you recommend as the ';livliest'; ride mid june? Thanks so much!

best whitewater rafting (mid-june) in area

I%26#39;ve been researching this too. I can%26#39;t decide between the Yellowstone or the Gallatin. From what I have read, the Gallatin may be more whitewater! I%26#39;m a chicken, but my husband wants to do some white water!

Have fun.

best whitewater rafting (mid-june) in area

I had kind of come to that same conclusion based on what the tour companies say on their websites. I can%26#39;t get anyone here to give an opinion! Somebody please chime in!

ps- sounds like we are planning very similar trips in june--i%26#39;m finally 90% done with plans/reservations!

We will be leaving here June 23 for 2 weeks in WY and MT. I have to wait until then because of Boy Scout Camp for the kid in early June. Our plans include many State Parks in WY and a few in MT, as well as YS and Tetons. We want to see the headwaters of the Missouri in MT and some ancient sites in MT and WY.

Have a great time. We will be camping, so I%26#39;m not in a hurry to get reservations yet. But will get them soon.

I%26#39;m not sure if you%26#39;re still checking this post but if you are here%26#39;s a little information. I was a rafting guide in Cody for 4 years. The snowpack in the area is shaping up well this year so any of the rivers in the area should be fun. Wyoming River Trips runs a trip on the North Fork of the Shoshone river which runs class III and low IV. It starts a few miles outside of Yellowstone and runs for about 15 miles. The middle of June is the perfect time to take a trip on this river. The Yellowstone is a much larger river and the good snowpack should make for a great trip. A few other options to consider are the Stillwater and Yellowstone rivers near Red Lodge, Montana which is about 60 miles north of Cody. I hope this helps!

What comes in a duvet set

lodging at Hatchet Lodge

I will be coming in July 08, have made reservations for 6 mights here, but now am starting to worry about what the place is like, and how far the drive actually is to yellowstone, and what the condition of the roads are. Any help would be much appreciated. I am flying in JAC and wanted to stay somewhere between Jackson Hole and Yellowstone so that i feel halfway between to make the best of my time there.

lodging at Hatchet Lodge

I%26#39;ll bet you will be spending most of your time in YNP, so would opt for lodging in the park or at W. Yellowstone.

You could find lodging in the Jackson Hole area for perhaps your last two days.

YNP is so large, driving back and forth each day is tiring and not productive use of time.

lodging at Hatchet Lodge

Poddle, the roads will be fine -- however, you will be 35 miles from the south entrance to the park.

To give you an idea, from Hatchet it will take you at least 4 hours to drive from the Lodge to Mammoth Hot Springs in the north of the park. 3 1/2 to 4 hours to Cody. Almost 2 hours to Old Faithful. You will spend most of your time in Yellowstone and just some in the Tetons and Jackson.

My best advice, since in-park lodging is now almost impossible unless there is a cancellation, is to try to find lodging closer to Yellowstone, West Yellowstone would be the best, but Cody is another good option (farther to Yellowstone proper, but a place well worth visitng on its own merits).

the hatchet lodge is fine. nothing fancy %26amp; the restaurant is plain but decent food. it%26#39;s right next to the togwotee national forest on the road to dubois. if it were me %26amp; i wasn%26#39;t going to stay inside the park, i%26#39;d probably rotate around the various entrances that access yellowstone or stay somewhere in gtnp. west yellowstone or gardiner would be better imo. there is not much to do in the evening there at the hatchet lodge.

Did we lose you on this forum? To find you on another? Try to keep to one thread, it%26#39;s easier all around. Don%26#39;t know how many beds you need, but, again, you%26#39;d be better served IMO by trying to stay in YNP. To do that, you can find the lodging options through the Xanterra website and, even if full, which they probably are by now, you can call; cancellations occur frequently.

I was also wondering if anyone has done the cowboy cookout and horseback ride at The Flying Pig Adventures in Gardiner?

airport hotel?

We%26#39;re flying into Jackson in June around 9pm with a toddler in tow (who will be very tired and grumpy). Are there any hotels at the airport? we were planning on picking up the hire car the next morning, so wanted something at the airport for the night. Any suggestions?

airport hotel?

nothing at the airport. it%26#39;s 8 miles to downtown jackson. in the past i%26#39;ve thought about taking a shuttle or taxi to town %26amp; picking the rental car up in the morning but by the time you pay for 2 way taxi/shuttle you can just get the car. there may be some hotels that offer complimentary shuttles. i know wagon wheel village does.

jacksonhole.net/properties/…prop-wagon.htm

airport hotel?

Sorry, but Jackson has a very small airport without any lodging facilities.

Like the previous poster indicted, unlss you stay at a hotel that offers a free shuttle it might be cheaper to just get the car when you arrive and drive the 10 minutes into town yourself.

I can%26#39;t remember what the taxi fare was the last time I flew into Jackson, but I recall it being $15-$20 each way. WIth the cost of fuel I am sure this has gone up at least a bit since then.

- Kery

My husband and I just returned from Jackson a few weeks ago. Let me paint the picture...

The airport as other posters has stated is Very small. You%26#39;ll depart the plan outside. The car rentals are in the parking lot across from the terminal - you can see them, making a rental pick up very easy.

Hotels in town are about 10-15minutes South of the airport and some of the nicer hotels will arrange for free airport pickup. Town is pretty small and you could walk to probably two or three hotels within a mile.

If looking for lux/nice accommodations nearby, try the Rusty Parrot. The Wort Hotel is more of a midrange that is also nice and in the central area of town.

If you can, I%26#39;d pick up the rental car that night. As others have said, the airport is very small. It is the only airport that is actually in a national park. The airport is very convenient, and you won%26#39;t wait huge amounts of time for the luggage like in the larger airports where we come from. If I remember correctly, I think the baggage claim and rental counters are within viewing distance of each other. Anyone who has travelled there recently: If this is not correct, please say so.

The drive to Jackson is very easy; do yourselves a favor and get the car when you land. It will save in the long run.

Drippy -- you made this Wyoming gal smile with your question. Jackson is a town of less than 10,000 people. Yes, it is a tourist area, but very, very, very small. Check to see if the car rental people will be open when you arrive. If they are, it won%26#39;t take long to get your car. If not, get a hotel with a shuttle -- that won%26#39;t take long, as you%26#39;ll let them know ahead of time that you%26#39;ll be on that flight %26amp; chances are they will just meet you.

There won%26#39;t be much walking or waiting, so things will go just fine. Just remember you are really moving up in altitude and your bodies will need a little time to adjust to less oxygen.

Thanks everyone. Think we%26#39;ll get the car as suggested. Now I just need to find accommodation! Looking like things are pretty busy in June already!

Yellowstone or Glacier NP?

My husband and I are planning a 4 day weekend for sometime in August. I need advice on whether we should got to Glacier NP or Yellowstone. We are most interested in wildlife watching, hiking and beautiful scenery. I stayed in Grand Lake, CO last June and absolutely loved it. I was very glad to have stayed on the Western side of the park away from all the tourists in Estes Park plus I saw many more moose on that side of the park. Basically I%26#39;m looking for a similar experience in either Glacier NP or Yellowstone, but don%26#39;t know which to choose.

Yellowstone or Glacier NP?

Do you like Ford or Chevy better? Some people just like one of the parks more than the other which will be completely different from the next person you ask. I think you should look at some photos and decide which one you would like to see more.

Glacier-less people, more of a moutain scenery.

Yellowstone-unique geothermal features. Can combine with the Grand Tetons.

Yellowstone or Glacier NP?

Yellowstone and Grand Tetons! Going again this yer for the second year in a row. Cannot believe the scenery and wildlife. You will not be disappointed.

if you are looking at 4 days i would choose glacier. for hiking it%26#39;s my favorite park. there%26#39;s just so many other areas surrounding ynp that are tempting it would be tough picking what i wanted to see/do.

if you go to gnp i highly recommend many glacier hotel. there%26#39;s nothing like sitting on their deck in the evening %26amp; watching the bears come out on the hillside while the sun sets. there are some great hikes that originate from that area. you will obviously drive going to the sun road %26amp; there are many hikes you can take from there as well.

if i had 4 days here is what i would do...

-go to logan pass (continental divide) to the visitor%26#39;s center %26amp; hike up to hidden lake overlook. we have never been there that we didn%26#39;t see a bunch of mountain goats %26amp; even bighorn sheep. it%26#39;s a short hike (3.0 rt).

-across the road from the visitor%26#39;s center is the highline trail. maybe the most popular hike in glacier. you can do it so many ways %26amp; lengths. you can hike to granite park chalet (7 mi) %26amp; then down the loop trail (4 mi) where you can take the shuttle back to where you parked at the visitor%26#39;s center. you can hike halfway to the chalet to a point called haystack butte (3.5 mi), have lunch, %26amp; then hike back. the views are completely different each way so don%26#39;t worry about retracing your steps. this year we are going to do what%26#39;s referred to as the ';hockey ref hike'; which is all the way to granite park chalet, then over the top %26amp; down to swiftcurrent motor inn. this is just around the lake from many glacier hotel (14 mi).

-iceberg lake is another very popular hike in the many glacier area. we%26#39;ve missed doing it the last two years because of bear activity. hopeful this july of making it (9 mi).

-grinnel glacier is another many glacier hike that really pretty.

great places to eat include cattle baron%26#39;s supper club (dinner), two sisters cafe (lunch or dinner), the park cafe (breakfast, lunch, or dinner), %26amp; johnstons (b,l,d). we also like eating in the many glacier dining room %26amp; even had a very good meal in the restaurant at swiftcurrent inn.

good luck on your trip.

Thanks so much everyone, for the helpful information. It sounds like Yellowstone is definitely appealing to us because of the wildlife, but I think Glacier is more suited to this 4 day short trip. Hopefully we%26#39;ll still have lots of wildlife opportunities there as well. My husband has never been to a mountainous destination, he typically goes for the beach destinations. So I think Glacier will give him a good taste of what he%26#39;s been missing out on. I appreciate all the tips and info!

Dear LeftyLynn, while I love Yellowstone and the Tetons, Glacier is great for mountain scenery. We visited there last year and tried to drive the Going To The Sun Road, but there was a lot of construction and delays, so we only had time for a portion of it. Wonderful, beautiful scenery. Next time we hope to take one of the Red Bus tours and let somebody else drive, and we can just rubberneck!

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